Meeting minutes for Tilamaires, day 15 of the month
Fashanos in the year 5112.
Members in Attendance: Nattor, Anta, Kizalia,
LLanawin, Ranpalandil. Kupaka, Ruh on the amunet.
Anta says, "We had our archery contest last night."
Anta says, "Two of the winners are sitting here."
Anta says, "On the 19th we have Ranger Roulette in
Sylvarraend."
Anta says, "It's going to be bloody."
Anta says, "Right, so thats Bounty help here in the
Landing on the 18th at 10PM elven and then Ranger
Roulette in Sylvarraend on the 19th at 5PM elven."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "Is the alliance with the
Draughnuts set in stone already?"
Anta says, "So about the alliance invitation."
Anta says, "Sabreon has presented us with a treaty
and Rasti has written the new article to our bylaws
that would encompass the alliance."
Anta says, "Kizalia is going to send copies to all
members along with the meeting minutes."
Anta says, "At the end of this meeting I will be
setting up an offical house vote."
Anta says, "It will remain open for one week and
will determine whether we will join the Alliance or
not."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "When can we voice our opionions
on the subject? or will it go directly vote."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "We've been discussing this for
two months now Ruh, You're free to speak up at any
time."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "The Hall's forum might
be a good place to discuss it."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "Yes, but reading the
fine print might open up some discussion."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "What's on your mind?"
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "Well this is my take on it, and
sorry I am not around enough to have voiced this
before, They are a very militant group, and when
they are on the hunt, they cause a lot of death to
those not joined in their efforts. But are quick to
help after death. They build building and outposts
and build and build. We on the other hand leave
nature alone, like our amazing annex in EN. They
aren't very rangerly, as we are."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "I know I'm not around or
involved as much as I would like, but I had to put
that out there."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "They are good concerns, thanks
Ruh. Let’s address them."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "It's true that they are a very
militant group and this was MY major concern when
asked to join. I didn't want to force Willow Hall
into a militia. The alliance has made it clear that
Willow Hall is not expected to engage in any
military action with them."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "Collateral damage from
mass spells is something everyone should be more
careful about, maybe that should be brought up to
them."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "Oh it has been, and they don't
care."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "Our role within the alliance
would be civil We would be working with the
different groups in organizing events and the like."
Nattor: [Willow Hall] "Its not really the mass
spells that kill people i don't think."
Kizalia says, "It's the swarm large groups create.
But unfortunately, is their right to hunt in groups
the same as any others."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "I know that the Drakes
Vanguard and Natures Fury have had that problem in
the past too."
Anta: [General] "Willow Hall has caused some scary
swarms on house hunts."
Anta says, "Really any hunting party."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "On occasion its not a
regularity."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "Has far as buildings,
they are a rapidly expanding group but I expect
there is a limit to how much then can grow in any
one place."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "For me its what they stand for
and what we stand for, in my eyes they just don't
match up."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "And really how much they build
does not affect Willow Hall. Each group that is part
of the Alliance is autonomous. We are all different
and we don't change to fit the Alliance and the
alliance doesn't change to fit us."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "3 buildings so far,"
Llanawin: [Willow Hall] "Which brings forth a good
question, Ran. If they are set on rapidly expanding,
what are their intentions with us."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "I think they are looking
to us a a contact on the west side of the
mountains."
Llanawin: [Willow Hall] "In my opinion, I believe we
are just a stepping stone."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "They are looking to
expand their membership here too."
Nattor: [Willow Hall] "We couldn't possibly be a
stepping stone to anything, we already know they are
intending to join the CHE if possible."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "I feel it would be unfair to
fault a group for wishing to expand. We ourselves,
wish to expand all the time."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "We have a presence in
every reach of Elanthia."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "Not in the same way."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "I'm unclear what your concern
is Ruh."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "Their way is so different from
ours."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "Its the whole militant aspect,
the whole all or none way they are."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "Its the whole "they are there to
help people" yet cause so much death if not joined
to them."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "In a nut shell."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "I've addressed the militant
issue already. There are other facets to the
alliance you may not be aware of. Did you know that
they've held several events in conjunction with us?"
Kizalia: [Willow Hall] "But to be clear, it's the
Alliance we're joining, which is comprised of many
groups, some not at all militant - not the House
Dreadnaughts themselves."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "That is an important
clarification there,"
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "Maybe we should have a
look at the terms of the treaty and then discuss
concerns in the Willow Hall forum."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "Lets discuss the terms of the
treaty right now."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "Who heads the alliance?"
Kizalia: [Willow Hall] "All groups have an equal say
once joined in the Alliance."
Ranpalandil: [Willow Hall] "I think each member of
the allience has representative."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "The alliance proposes that
Willow hall pledge: 1. To stand against racism in
all forms and work to remove it."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "2. To aid in the defense of all
Alliance territories. And by this, they mean that we
merely not side with anyone meaning to do harm to
the lands."
Llanawin: [Willow Hall] "As an equal representative
we would also share equal responsibility in anything
the Alliance does."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "As stated previously we are
able to opt out of any alliance issue that we wish
not to get involved in."
Nattor: [Willow Hall] "We always have the option of
opting out of any event."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "3. work together at festivals
and other events to mutual benefit."
Llanawin: [Willow Hall] "That doesn't make any sense
to me."
Speaking huskily to Anta, Llanawin asks, "Not the
third part but the fact you can "opt" out of any
event?"
Anta says, "Correct."
Anta asks, "How is that confusing?"
Speaking huskily to Anta, Llanawin says, "What kind
of Alliance allows it's members to "opt" out of
anything. That doesn't sound like an Alliance to
me."
Anta says, "We are all individual entities. Every
group has different opinions and views."
Speaking huskily to Anta, Llanawin says, "In my mind
an Alliance would be for the future success of
however many parties that share a common goal and
vision."
Speaking to Llanawin, Nattor says, "If they didn't,
it would be a dictatorship."
Ranpalandil says, "Well, since all members of the
allience are atonomous they could opt out at any
time whether it was in the treaty or not."
Speaking huskily to Ranpalandil, Llanawin says,
"Even if one was to "opt" out of any event,
responsibility will still trickle down."
Anta says, "There is no common goal or vision as you
say. We help each other continuously. The civil
groups help with organizing events, the militant
groups will help with invasions."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "The alliance's offical name is "Elanthian
Dreadbaught Alliance" that in of itself speak
volumes."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "You take issue with the
founders name being in the title of the alliance?"
Ruh: [Willow Hall] ", we are putting a house in a
subordinate postion to Saberon's."
Anta asks, "What responsibility are you evisioning
trickling down?"
Kizalia
says, "I think the Alliance was likened to a formal
friendship between all groups involved, for
support.”
Llanawin huskily says, "For support.."
Kizalia says, "Event support, aid as needed."
Llanawin huskily asks, "As part of the Civil Branch
while they speak of our duties to run events and
festivals, an unwritten thought could be... To
cleanup whatever wake they manage to leave?"
Speaking to Kizalia, Ranpalandil says, "Although we
could have that without a formal alliance."
Llanawin huskily asks, "If one group was to step on
the toes of another outside the Alliance, what would
our obligations entitle us to do?"
Nattor says, "Thats just irrational, that would be
like judging Willow Hall soley on my actions."
Llanawin huskily says, "I feel a formal or informal
friendship would be much better than entering into
any alliance."
Anta says, "The alliance is a formal friendship."
Anta says, "Nothing more."
Llanawin huskily says, "Proceed.. The decisions have
obviously been made."
Anta says, "If that were the case we wouldn't be
having a vote."
Kizalia says, "No decision has been made."
Anta says, "We are trying to air concerns and talk
through them."
Anta says, "However it seems that personal bias are
preventing you and Ruh it seems from listening to
the facts."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "It would appear you are
uneducated on what this joining with the alliance
entails Ruh. I'm going to urge you to reread the
discussions we've had prior."
Speaking to Anta, Ranpalandil says, "They are
entitled to a different option."
Llanawin huskily says, "Then continue, I don't have
anything else to say."
Anta says, "Opinion is one thing These are claims of
conspiracy and subjugation that frankly, I don't
know how to respond to."
Ruh: [Willow Hall] "I just wanted to voice my opinon
and I have."
Anta: [Willow Hall] "That being said. I believe all
of the pertinent facts speak for themselves. The
rest of the treaty and the article for the bylaws
will be sent to all members. I urge everyone to read
them over carefully before making your decision. We
will choose as the hall thinks best."
Kizalia says, "Just a reminder that the membership
drive event is at the end of next month."
Anta says, "Ohnus has donated multiple weapons and
such to be raffled off."
Anta says, "We have games planned every day as
well."
Anta says, "Oh and the cobbling table was approved."
Anta says, "Our last month's prize closet items were
released."
Anta says, "So if anyone sees Phever or Rasti, we
have some of their designs I'd like to award them."
Anta says, "I'll wait for Rasti to give the official
report on our funds."
Anta says, "But we've got 331985594 silvers."
Anta says, "So.. we're not poor."
Kizalia says, "Also, if anyone wants to volunteer to
host or help with events during the drive next
month, let an officer know."
Ranpalandil says, "If anyone wants to donate
anything for the shop give it to me or Anta."
Anta says, "We could certainly use the help for the
events."
Ranpalandil says, "If you want a class on any
rangerly skills just let me know what you would
like."
Ranpalandil says, "We could maybe treat some armor."
Speaking to Anta, Ranpalandil asks, "So you want a
foraging class and an time we treat armour?"
Anta says, "If you're up to it, yes."
Ranpalandil says, "I think I can manage that."
Anta then adjourned the meeting.
Submitted,
Kizalia
Scroll Keeper